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		<title>By: 2007 - The End is Nigh &#124; Think Artificial</title>
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		<dc:creator>2007 - The End is Nigh &#124; Think Artificial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] launched with a bang and naturally I&#8217;ve quite enjoyed the ride. We&#8217;ve talked about synthetic lifeforms, living spacedust, surprising ingenuity of AIBOs and of course pondered the future in a multitude [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] launched with a bang and naturally I&#8217;ve quite enjoyed the ride. We&#8217;ve talked about synthetic lifeforms, living spacedust, surprising ingenuity of AIBOs and of course pondered the future in a multitude [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Lambrou Basilious</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkartificial.org/technology/first-synthetic-lifeform-is-nigh/comment-page-1/#comment-1454</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Lambrou Basilious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this finding is  for the good of humanity igo along with it , on the other hand their will be a religious moral conflict, in any case since i am one of the puzzeles that fits the human cain , i will be following your findings.           Daniel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this finding is  for the good of humanity igo along with it , on the other hand their will be a religious moral conflict, in any case since i am one of the puzzeles that fits the human cain , i will be following your findings.           Daniel.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-)</description>
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		<title>By: Hrafn</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkartificial.org/technology/first-synthetic-lifeform-is-nigh/comment-page-1/#comment-350</link>
		<dc:creator>Hrafn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 01:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Perhaps the term ‘random mutation’ is misleading and inappropriately named. One can sometimes predict where and how these mutations will occur, but the full potential of such predictions is yet to be fully explored.
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Yeah. I suspected from the start that I&#039;d not made myself clear enough in what I meant. There&#039;s a difference between absolute randomness, and something that&#039;s so complex that it appears random. For many systems, we still don&#039;t know which is which :)

We agree, except for never understanding random mutations to the fullest, but I&#039;m not fishing for a debate on that one (nor would that debate end anywhere, only time will tell).</description>
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Perhaps the term ‘random mutation’ is misleading and inappropriately named. One can sometimes predict where and how these mutations will occur, but the full potential of such predictions is yet to be fully explored.
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<p>Yeah. I suspected from the start that I&#8217;d not made myself clear enough in what I meant. There&#8217;s a difference between absolute randomness, and something that&#8217;s so complex that it appears random. For many systems, we still don&#8217;t know which is which <img src='http://www.thinkartificial.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We agree, except for never understanding random mutations to the fullest, but I&#8217;m not fishing for a debate on that one (nor would that debate end anywhere, only time will tell).</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the term &#039;random mutation&#039; is misleading and inappropriately named. One can sometimes predict where and how these mutations will occur, but the full potential of such predictions is yet to be fully explored. I am content to say that there is no design or purpose to random mutation. We know there just are somethings that can&#039;t be explained. I agree that explaining randomness is easily oversimplified.

Statistically speaking, randomness could simply mean a lack of correlation. I don&#039;t think science will ever fully understand DNA enough to understand and find a cause of &#039;random&#039; mutations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the term &#8216;random mutation&#8217; is misleading and inappropriately named. One can sometimes predict where and how these mutations will occur, but the full potential of such predictions is yet to be fully explored. I am content to say that there is no design or purpose to random mutation. We know there just are somethings that can&#8217;t be explained. I agree that explaining randomness is easily oversimplified.</p>
<p>Statistically speaking, randomness could simply mean a lack of correlation. I don&#8217;t think science will ever fully understand DNA enough to understand and find a cause of &#8216;random&#8217; mutations.</p>
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		<title>By: Hrafn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hrafn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 15:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
 Some may have occurred as a result of genetic predisposition or environmental exposure, but they don’t address 100% of occurrences. Enlighten me! (And don’t tell me God did it!)
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Haha, no, I&#039;m not going to tell you a god did it. 
First of all, absolute randomness means that there is some physical matter that changes without causation from the physical reality. Like having a can of coke that opens without any actions or reactions to the environment or internal configurations of matter.

We haven&#039;t shown that there exists matter without causation. It&#039;s true that we&#039;ve observed occurances we haven&#039;t found cause for yet (e.g. decay of atoms), but there&#039;s no definite proof that they happen without relation to physical reality. And, as of yet, few things in the world have remained completely inexplicable for long.

In light of this, I&#039;m scientifically inclined to remain undecided on whether there exists such a thing as &quot;random matter&quot; as opposed to &quot;causation we haven&#039;t discovered&quot;. 

Theoretically, I consider it a much harder problem to explain how random works than it is to explain complex mutations (actually, the definition of true randomness entails that it can&#039;t be explained). If we have no causation, we can&#039;t apply the scientific method: Something happens and there&#039;s no physical reason why — no reasoning can be used to explain the occurance. In this sense, one might say that random is a bit unreasonable :)</description>
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 Some may have occurred as a result of genetic predisposition or environmental exposure, but they don’t address 100% of occurrences. Enlighten me! (And don’t tell me God did it!)
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<p>Haha, no, I&#8217;m not going to tell you a god did it.<br />
First of all, absolute randomness means that there is some physical matter that changes without causation from the physical reality. Like having a can of coke that opens without any actions or reactions to the environment or internal configurations of matter.</p>
<p>We haven&#8217;t shown that there exists matter without causation. It&#8217;s true that we&#8217;ve observed occurances we haven&#8217;t found cause for yet (e.g. decay of atoms), but there&#8217;s no definite proof that they happen without relation to physical reality. And, as of yet, few things in the world have remained completely inexplicable for long.</p>
<p>In light of this, I&#8217;m scientifically inclined to remain undecided on whether there exists such a thing as &#8220;random matter&#8221; as opposed to &#8220;causation we haven&#8217;t discovered&#8221;. </p>
<p>Theoretically, I consider it a much harder problem to explain how random works than it is to explain complex mutations (actually, the definition of true randomness entails that it can&#8217;t be explained). If we have no causation, we can&#8217;t apply the scientific method: Something happens and there&#8217;s no physical reason why — no reasoning can be used to explain the occurance. In this sense, one might say that random is a bit unreasonable <img src='http://www.thinkartificial.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How else would one explain the nature of spontaneous mutations that occur within an organism during fertilization or development or even at maturity when most growth has ceased? Some may have occurred as a result of genetic predisposition or environmental exposure, but they don&#039;t address 100% of occurrences. Enlighten me! (And don&#039;t tell me God did it!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How else would one explain the nature of spontaneous mutations that occur within an organism during fertilization or development or even at maturity when most growth has ceased? Some may have occurred as a result of genetic predisposition or environmental exposure, but they don&#8217;t address 100% of occurrences. Enlighten me! (And don&#8217;t tell me God did it!)</p>
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		<title>By: Hrafn</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkartificial.org/technology/first-synthetic-lifeform-is-nigh/comment-page-1/#comment-338</link>
		<dc:creator>Hrafn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; I have a great deal of respect for the randomness and intricate nature of biological systems.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Assuming there is such a thing as randomness, we haven&#039;t reached a definite conclusion on that one ;) But I agree, nature&#039;s amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I have a great deal of respect for the randomness and intricate nature of biological systems.</p></blockquote>
<p>Assuming there is such a thing as randomness, we haven&#8217;t reached a definite conclusion on that one <img src='http://www.thinkartificial.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  But I agree, nature&#8217;s amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Arnþór L. Arnarson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arnþór L. Arnarson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Leslie. I find that too few, in computer science, are aware of the amzing things one they can find in biology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Leslie. I find that too few, in computer science, are aware of the amzing things one they can find in biology.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is definitely a relationship growing between biology and computer science, but the former will never be replaced by the latter. I have a great deal of respect for the randomness and intricate nature of biological systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is definitely a relationship growing between biology and computer science, but the former will never be replaced by the latter. I have a great deal of respect for the randomness and intricate nature of biological systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Hrafn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hrafn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I think we sould name the new creation (if successful) Frankensteineum.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Haha. I second that.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
You’ve got a real neat blog! And a good concept too… did you do it all by yourself?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks. 
Not sure what you mean by &quot;good concept&quot;?</description>
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I think we sould name the new creation (if successful) Frankensteineum.
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<p>Haha. I second that.</p>
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You’ve got a real neat blog! And a good concept too… did you do it all by yourself?
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<p>Thanks.<br />
Not sure what you mean by &#8220;good concept&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Aziz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 03:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve got a real neat blog! And a good concept too... did you do it all by yourself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got a real neat blog! And a good concept too&#8230; did you do it all by yourself?</p>
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		<title>By: John Pozadzides</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Pozadzides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we sould name the new creation (if successful) Frankensteineum.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we sould name the new creation (if successful) Frankensteineum.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Arnþór L. Arnarson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arnþór L. Arnarson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to mention how important biology is as an inspiration for computer science; but I guess that is not needed now. The matter has become obvious. 

I have long suspected that this would be the way forward in biology.  This makes the convergence between biology and computer science inevitable.  

Biology ( a part of it ) will be conducted in a computer, only to be implemented in the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to mention how important biology is as an inspiration for computer science; but I guess that is not needed now. The matter has become obvious. </p>
<p>I have long suspected that this would be the way forward in biology.  This makes the convergence between biology and computer science inevitable.  </p>
<p>Biology ( a part of it ) will be conducted in a computer, only to be implemented in the field.</p>
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